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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:29 pm 
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I'm transferring files from an old to new computer and came across an article by Hugh Nibley entitled "The Meaning of the Kirtland Egyptian Papers." I remember dlĂ­ng the article in my days of research before enlightenment. I thought I'd take a look at it. It's a 50 page article and I didn't feel like reading the whole things so I just skipped to the end to see his conclusion:

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what emerges most clearly from a closer look at the kirtland egyptian papers is the fact that there is nothing official or final about them- they are fluid, exploratory, confidential, and hence free of any possibility or intention of fraud or deception. Strangely enough, though they seem to express a free play of fancy they are not all pure nonsense. For example, joseph smith s discussion of the alphabet strangely reminiscent of the rabbi akiba's alphabet, reads like a very up to date analysis of the basic ideas of egyptian religion and kingship; and there are so many happy guesses about the meanings of symbols that one begins to wonder whether they can all be purely accidental or fanciful; after all, the book of abraham itself is far from nonsense. all these things however must be the subject of other and more careful studies.


1st bolded part - non-sequitor? This makes no sense at all.
2nd bolded part - So this 50 page article is a "closer look" (from 1st line) but more careful studies are still needed?

It's no wonder I left. Nibley was supposed to be the know-it-all and even he couldn't explain JS's bullshit.

[I cut and paste the quote from adobe reader and the punctuation and capitalization is off. Other than that, the words are accurate.]

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:41 pm 
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junesu wrote:
Nibley was supposed to be the know-it-all and even he couldn't explain JS's bullshit.


Nibley was truly a Mormon enigma. He was a strong defender of the old Joseph Smith/Brigham Young order to the point of being ridiculous as you document so well. Yet, he was right on in his observations about the selling out of the modern LDS church:

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Every rhetorician knows that his most effective weapons by far are labels. He can demolish the opposition with simple and devastating labels such as communism, socialism, or atheism, popery, militarism, or Mormonism, or give his clients' worst crimes a religious glow with noble labels such as integrity, old-fashioned honesty, tough-mindedness, or free competitive enterprise. "You can get away with anything if you just wave the flag," a business partner of my father once told me. He called that patriotism. But the label game reaches its all-time peak of skill and effrontery in the Madison Avenue master stroke of pasting the lovely label of Zion on all the most typical institutions of Babylon: Zion's Loans, Zion's Real Estate, Zion's Used Cars, Zion's Jewelry, Zion's Supermart, Zion's Auto Wrecking, Zion's Outdoor Advertising, Zion's Gunshop, Zion's Land and Mining, Zion's Development, Zion's Securities--all that is quintessentially Babylon now masquerades as Zion.

There is a precedent for the bit of faking--a most distinguished one. Satan, being neither stupid nor inexperienced, knows the value of a pleasing appearance--there are times when it pays to appear even as an angel of light. He goes farther than that, however, to assure that success of his masquerade (given out since the days of Adam) as a picturesquely repulsive figure--a four-star horror with claws, horns, or other obvious trimmings. With that idea firmly established, he can operate with devastating effectiveness as a very proper gentleman, a handsome and persuasive salesman. He "decoys" our minds (a favorite word with Brigham Young) with false words and appearances. A favorite trick is to put the whole blame on sex. Sex can be a pernicious appetite, but it runs a poor second to the other. For example: We are wont to think of Sodom as the original sexpot, but according to all accounts "this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom": that great wealth made her people cruel and self-righteous. The worst sinners, according to Jesus, are not the harlots and publicans, but the religious leaders with their insistence on proper dress and grooming, their careful observance of all the rules, their precious concern for status symbols, their strict legality, their pious patriotism. Longhairs, beards, necklaces, LSD and rock, Big Sur and Woodstock come and go, but Babylon is always there: rich, respectable, immovable, with its granite walls and steel vaults, its bronze gates, its onyx trimmings and marble floors (all borrowed from ancient temples, for these are our modern temples), and its bullet-proof glass--the awesome symbols of total security. Keeping her orgies decently private, she presents a front of unalterable propriety to all. As the early Christian writers observed, Babylon always wins: in every showdown throughout history, Satan has remained in possession of the field, and he still holds it. Its security and respectability exert a strong appeal: "When I see this people grow and spread and prosper," said Brigham Young, "I feel there is more danger than when they are in poverty. Being driven from city to city . . . is nothing compared to the danger of becoming rich and being hailed by outsiders as a first-class community." From Zion
What A Distant View.



http://bhporter.com/What%20is%20Zion.htm

Add to this Martha Beck's account of her father and you get the portrait of a very confused man. I don't know what to think.

M.P.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:34 pm 
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When I was younger, my family made a huge fuss about Nibley - they thought his stance against material wealth was admirable. Although I never even heard about his role as an apologist until after leaving and I doubt my family knows much about that either. Reading his "No Ma'am, That's Not History" was pretty depressing - so much character attacking and so little substance.

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